thefadingnight

10 icons, 12 banners

2011-11-30T18:51:00.001+08:00

How's everyone doing?

Anyway, I've found out that the banners are 350x175.

Just wondering, what kind of graphics would you guys like to see here? Leave a tag!

350x175

9 icons, 10 banners

2011-11-21T23:16:00.001+08:00

ohmygoodness 733 followers are you kidding me!

thanks all, much love ☻

I made this batch sometime in early november but never posted it cause I wanted to add more in but I don't really have the time now so I'll just post this first and of course, there'll be more to come! Enjoy ♥

Forgive me, I can't recall what size the banners are and ah I wanna sleep now so I'm lazy to check.

ANYWAY, TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF THIS BATCH. I haven't made graphics in so long :)

18 icons, 12 banners

2011-05-21T11:46:00.003+08:00

I know I haven't been really active because I've been busy with schoolwork and exams and all that, so here's a batch before I work on the maker's applications because there are lots of applications, thanks for all the support and I can clearly see the keen interest in joining tfn! I'm taking such a long time because I plan to showcase all the applications so it would be a fair choice as everyone can clearly see the quality of the "winner" compared to the rest.

Hmm I would say I'm a little rusty. Suddenly I feel like I do banners better hahahaha the icons didn't turn out as good. The banners are 350x200 by the way. Continue supporting thefadingnight. Right now we have 493 followers omg thank you! ♥ ♥ ♥

400 followers!

2011-03-16T00:16:00.000+08:00

We've just reached 400 followers, yay ^___^
Thanks for all the support and sorry for the infrequent submissions~

12 icons, 6 banners

2011-03-15T12:52:00.002+08:00

Hi I'm back after one school term! But I can't and won't be here for long. So enjoy this :) And I'm thinking of closing the maker's apps for now. Can't handle too many incoming so it will be open until the end of this week then I'll really close it and decide?

sorry for the long wait, I really haven't had the time. :(
btw 24 applicants submitted so far! Yup that's a lot. Hurry submit if you want to by this weekend.

oh and we've reached 400 followers! omg thank you so much guys for supporting us even though we hardly have time to post here. ♥

20 stock banners

2011-02-05T12:28:00.000+08:00

Hi everyone :-)

300+ followers / maker's app / 18 banners

2011-01-09T17:12:00.009+08:00

(edit)

Now there's a navigation for the maker's apps. Please refer to that for more updates! :)

Thank you all for supporting us from day one here on thefadingnight, we really appreciate it. Do continue supporting this site :)

Oh and I've been thinking about opening the maker's app for quite a while now. I think I will open it now since we're kind of short of makers and many people have been interested in joining tfn. This is a last minute decision by myself only by the way. Haven't seen puiling/saeeda online so I'll just move on with opening it.

There is no deadline so you can take your time with it. Please fill up the form below, copy and paste 10 icons and 5 banners with credits into the e-mail and e-mail them to us at thefadingnight@live.com. Don't give the image links only I don't want to open them up one by one haha. I will be checking the email every week. I think I'll be the judge since I really can't reach puiling and saeeda, I will be busy with school as well. If I think your work is up to standard/not bad then I'll reply you, add you in and tell you more details! Though if it's not what we're looking for we'll reply you too.

I look forward to see your work! Don't worry, I'm not that strict. As long as your graphics look alright and you can post at least once in two weeks then you're in. But I still have my standards. Just try your best and please be honest with your work, don't submit what's not yours. :)

Name: (your REAL name please)
Age: (your REAL age as well)
Software: (photoshop cs4, photoscape, etc.)
Theme: (What kind of graphics you like making e.g. stock, fashion, celeb, etc.)
How frequent are you able to post: (once a week or what?)
Any other communities you are contributing to: (if yes, please state them)

I've realised that many people prefer banners to icons. So here's 18 of them!

17 icons only :(

2011-01-03T18:30:00.002+08:00

17 miserable icons. Today's the last day of our break. Omg nooooo.

Btw follow my weheartit! http://weheartit.com/dimthatspxtlight GOGO :)

And, if you didn't already know where our credits are, HERE IT IS: http://thefadingnight-resources.blogspot.com/

19 banners

2010-12-17T11:52:00.001+08:00

Here's 19 (400x150) banners, as promised! I think I'll stick to this coloring for now. I've used this coloring in the gossip girl batch as well.

Come on, tag us more :( Don't worry, we don't bite!

42 gossip girl icons

2010-12-12T16:23:00.000+08:00

Have recently just started watching gossip girl again! Yep from this you can clearly see my obsession with gossip girl now hahaha~ Leighton Meester and Blake Lively <3

Banners next alright? I promise! There were just so many great shots in this photoshoot, had to pick most of them.

42 icons

2010-12-08T21:28:00.002+08:00

Hello, nope not celeb this time hahaha!

54 icons (megan fox, leighton meester, kristen bell)

2010-11-28T17:57:00.011+08:00

Hi. :) Here with 54 icons. (Megan Fox, Leighton Meester, Kristen Bell)

36 icons

2010-11-18T16:07:00.000+08:00

Two celebrities I like recently. Kristen Bell from the movie You Again and Nina Dobrev from The Vampire Diaries ♥ AND, it's my first time (or is it the second?) doing black & white icons. I really should do them more often!

16 banners

2010-11-09T10:48:00.001+08:00

It's true that I've been focussing on icons a lot recently. So I've dedicated this whole batch to banners, to that lovely passerby! Is 16 banners enough? Sorry I just prefer doing icons :\

18 icons, 14 banners

2010-11-03T18:35:00.001+08:00

Ra. Just finished this today(: Sorry for the rusty skill.

30 icons, 8 banners

2010-11-03T16:38:00.003+08:00

*Coughs* - hi there. I actually made this batch months ago (in August!? it's already November now omg), kinda late I know but I was too lazy to submit back then, argh. Sorry for the infrequent submission, I know I suck:( Ha luckily I saved the credits, was going to delete this batch but decided not to let it go to waste, yikes.
Hmmm You guys may have seen some of this images being used before, but what do you expect? I made this months ago :|

42 icons, 1 banner

2010-11-01T22:39:00.001+08:00

NEW BLOGSKIN. WHADDOYA THINK?

AND, I changed my coloring! How is it? Respond in the tagboard please! :)

There are plenty of celeb icons here. Gossip girl (Leighton Meester, Blake Lively, Chace Crawford), Taylor Swift, Hayley Williams, Olsen twins, Katy Perry, Emma Watson, Ashley Tisdale and Kristen Bell.

(400x150)

17 icons

2010-10-31T12:11:00.001+08:00

Only 17 stock icons, more to come soon! I think this batch is one of my worst D: I like those on the last row though.

15 icons.

2010-10-27T18:38:00.003+08:00

Hey guys. Sorry for the small number of icons.

72 icons, 16 banners

2010-10-24T15:47:00.002+08:00

Sorry for not posting for sucha long time. I was busy with school/exams/cca/TUMBLR! :( Hope this compensates for it. A THOUSAND APOLOGIES.

Nicole (From S'pore): Hi. I really love the icons. I was just trying to mix other Nicole's codes together because I don't know how in the world to make boxes for the links. You guys are really smart.

I don't really get what you mean, but thanks for liking them :)

Stel: I'm sure you guys have heard of livejournal. I want to use your 100x100 icons as userpics, but the thing is, how am i supposed to credit you? Thanks!

Hmm I guess you can credit us in your profile or something? :)

Passer by: Sorry but can i know what programme you used to make the icons? And, I love your icons, they're pretty :>

It's in our profiles, but mainly photoshop.

(400x150)

30 icons, 10 banners

2010-09-04T23:16:00.003+08:00

I love the last half of the icons :) WOOHOO HOLIDAYS.

(350x180)

15 icons, 10 banners

2010-09-01T16:46:00.001+08:00

(350x180)

icons only

2010-08-29T19:08:00.005+08:00

HI. Sorry I've been very inactive. :( This is gonna be my last post since I have major exams in late September.. will only start posting in early October and I promise I'll spam the shit out of this comm!^%4@%^@ lol jk.

16 icons, 18 banners

2010-08-29T14:32:00.001+08:00

Again, the banners are 350x180. Enjoy!

By the way, TFN's tagboard is close to being dead. :( TAG OK?

10 banners

2010-08-22T23:39:00.000+08:00

350x180 banners this time. 10 only, but I'm really tired now. Screw my English homework. I'll try to post more often :(

30 icons, 14 banners

2010-08-09T16:17:00.000+08:00

I tried a new sizing for the banners. 350x200, like Saeeda's. I like big(ger) banners now hahaha.

Sorry for being so inactive, I'm sure we're all busy with school. But I'll try to post a big batch whenever I can!

42 celeb icons

2010-07-19T22:35:00.001+08:00

I hardly make celeb icons, I know. Just kinda felt like it. AND! I decided to just make icons, ima lazy to do banners hehe. So here's Emma Watson, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift and Glee!

18 icons 14 banners

2010-07-12T17:57:00.006+08:00

HELLO. Usual drills: credit tfn + no hotlinking.

350x150

80 icons 20 banners

2010-07-10T21:52:00.006+08:00

EDITED
HI ALL! Saeeda here with a whole lot of graphics, wont be posting so often anymore. :(
+ This batch consists 48 80 stock icons, 20 (350x200) and stock banners.
+ Due to the massive amount of graphics, im using a cut, 5 icons and 4 banners as teasers, please click "Read more" to see the whole batch.
+ Credit TFN -- if any graphics taken, no hotlinking, no claiming ownership.

extremely tiny batch

2010-07-07T17:52:00.004+08:00

HEY GUYS. Heres a EXTREMELY small batch of stock icons and (350x150px) banners. Gonna post a bigger batch sooner or later xoxo.

FREESTYLE BBY!

2010-07-05T12:07:00.002+08:00

Hey all! We have decided not to do requests anymore as the school term has just begun, we don't really have time to complete them. We're really sorry if you were looking forward to them and we just smacked you in the face ...... Okay anyway, it's FREESTYLE BBY! from now on :)

last day of holiday :(

2010-06-27T18:48:00.000+08:00

A real tiny batch here. Holidays are about to end. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Meh, bye. :'(

100 followers = 100 icons&banners

2010-06-24T13:36:00.004+08:00

HELLO. As Saeeda said, we have 100 followers. THANKS EVERYONE FOR SUPPORTING! I have 100 icons and banners here. 50 icons and 50 banners to be exact, so tallying up to 100 graphics. Sorry I couldn't make 100 each, it's waaaaaaaay too many and I don't have the time for it :(

Anyway, this is my biggest batch yet! *tired* This post is really really long too, so please click on the "Read More" at the bottom to see the full post! Here are some teasers :)

TEASERS:

50 100x100 icons

50 350x150 banners

100 followers. :D

2010-06-21T18:50:00.015+08:00

THANK YOU GUYS FOR FOLLOWING. TFN LOVES YOU.
Btw, Saeeda here. I only have a few icons here, but its nothing compared of what Nicole has in store for you. ;) Enjoy!

Sophia's request

2010-06-17T15:07:00.000+08:00

For the first banner, well, it's fake food yeah. But I just couldn't resist! :D I hope 10 banners is alright :) A little bit more to 100 followers! THANKS EVERYONE FOR SUPPORTING!

taylor lautner + selena gomez

2010-06-16T20:33:00.004+08:00

SAEEDA HERE. :) I got 35 Taylor Lautner icons as requested and 18 Selena Gomez icons, enjoy!

first batch at tfn

2010-06-10T23:26:00.009+08:00

HELLO! First time posting at tfn, I'd like to say thank you to Nicole for letting me post here! I'll try not to be disappointment, yea? Anyways, here with 5 stock banners&icons requested by Layla. And celeb icons&banners for the people for requested for celebs. Sorry if its not enough! And ALSO, sorry it took me a long time to get this batch up had computer problems, dont wanna elaborate.

food

2010-06-08T17:20:00.003+08:00

I likey pretty food :D

And yes I admit, I'm STARTING to like icons more. Uhkay, I promise I'll start on the requests soon!

more masks! +75 followers +saeeda

2010-06-05T11:10:00.009+08:00

Thanks everyone for supporting tfn! We have 75+ followers (if you can't view the banner above). And welcome saeeda, our new maker! Wanted to make this banner for her earlier but didn't have the time to. It's my first shot at this kind of banners btw. Is it nice or does it fail O:

Anyway here are more masks!

blythe's request

2010-06-03T18:53:00.002+08:00

OMG SORRY SAEEDA. I didn't know you were handling this request. SORRY SORRY SORRY. But actually I started on this a few days ago. Still, very sorry :(

sandra's request

2010-06-01T19:10:00.001+08:00

Please welcome our new maker, SAEEDA! We were kind of shorthanded here. Too many req :P There's around 30+ so sorry if we don't complete them on time. Meanwhile, requests are closed.

Oh and here's Sandra's request! Personally, I love the leighton meester icons, esp the first one! :) ENJOY!

can we pretend that airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars?

2010-05-30T16:54:00.001+08:00

410x250 banners. These were actually made for my latest skin. Yeah they're HUGE. Though the first banner wasn't really suitable so I made the hayley one. Didn't want it to go to waste though, so here it is!
Rate it? http://www.blogskins.com/info/340218

masks

2010-05-28T16:02:00.005+08:00

Hi thar. A whole batch dedicated to solely masks. If you guys really like this, I'll make more mask themed icons and banners! :D I found lotsa mask images. Okay, ENJOY!

Akma's request

2010-05-28T10:46:00.003+08:00

Ice-cream's nice :)

A piece of my cake

2010-05-28T09:37:00.006+08:00

Hello hello it's been quite a while since I last submitted a batch, I'm sorry :(

charmaine's / megan's request

2010-05-25T20:55:00.004+08:00

Charmaine's.

Megan's.
Personally, I think this piano batch fails. Sorry :( I like the batch on top a lot better though!

This was something I did for one of my blog entries. Just wanted to share it :)

jolanda's request + more

2010-05-24T17:11:00.000+08:00

I found a lot of nice food images so I made more! :D

couple of requests

2010-05-23T15:18:00.000+08:00

I combined a couple of requests since they were all under the same theme! And if you were wondering, YES I AM VERY BORED. Whee banners spree~

Cher's request.

Anna May's request.

Patricia's request.

edlyn's request / 50+ followers

2010-05-22T18:35:00.000+08:00

Thank you guys so much for following&supporting tfn! We really appreciate it. We'll be re-opening the requests from now on. Do continue supporting!

And here you go Edlyn :)

cin's request

2010-05-21T18:44:00.000+08:00

15 icons - BUNNIES!

2010-05-16T18:59:00.001+08:00

These icons were actually for my blog but I'm changing my blogskin real soon (!) so just thought I'd share these. Sorry if they really do suck, I made these quite some time ago. I just love these bunnies!

Remember to credit and don't hotlink :)

back from hiatus!

2010-05-14T16:52:00.002+08:00

Hey guys! Thank you all for supporting thefadingnight! After a long long long hiatus due to MYEs, I'M BACK. With a huge batch to compensate for how long I haven't posted :) 30 icons and 10 banners. Enjoy!

passer: can i have the link for michelle's request - resources? thanks(:
Please put your real name next time kthx. http://thefadingnight-resources.blogspot.com/2010/04/michelles-request.html

sarah: oh my god i really love this!!!! <3
timi: hy my name is timi.im from hungary.i don't speek in english,but learning.the blog is cool.kiss.
Thank you! :D

Random.

2010-05-02T11:15:00.007+08:00

Heyhey :D It's actually for Anna's request until I read about what she actually wanted in the form. So it became a random entry now. Bleh.

xinying's request

2010-04-24T17:40:00.005+08:00

Nayo's request

2010-04-24T16:30:00.000+08:00

Kenneth: Do call the original photographs you use using other words because calling them "bases" is quite rude to the original photographers.
Then what do I call them? Aren't they bases o.o

Saeeda: Btw, when u gonna open maker application? I feel like joining, hehh. B)
It was just over D: SORRY BBY! Next time?

Nicole: oh yay i didn't know i'm inside this icon site! no lah just kidding i'm not the nicole as in the nic96ole. lol, not funny. -______-
HUH WHUT LOL

Vania Sunny's request

2010-04-23T16:53:00.005+08:00

Hellos I'm here to do this request on stocks, hope it's ok!

please welcome our new maker!

2010-04-19T00:00:00.004+08:00

Thank you all for applying to be a maker at thefadingnight. After much evaluation, I have decided that our official new maker is Pui Ling. Congratulations! These are the icons&banners PuiLing has made, applying to be a maker at tfn.

And to the others who applied as well, thank you for your effort. All of you have made great graphics too! But I'm only accept one maker for now. If there is ever a need for another maker here at tfn, do come back and try again! :)

audrey's request

2010-04-18T16:54:00.005+08:00

Sorry for the wait! Hope you like this :)

Ad: Heyy, I'm Ad. And I was just wondering where did you get all the photos and the textures? Because I have my own site on myspace. So, yeahh :)
Credits for the photos are found here

Edlyn: Whee bby! <3 Why are requests closed D: Cause I've got a lot at hand already so I closed them for now. :|

Minghua: Oh hey, you wrote 'on' to 'om' at the last picture on the rainbow theme. :X
Btw, your graphics rock! :)
Huh sorry I don't get it. o.o Anyway the text in the last banner was already like that when I found it. Thanks! :D

Nicole: AWW MAN. I wish i could use your basecodes for your request skin. T-T
Haha sorry.

P/S Please put your real name in the tagboard thanks. I don't reply to anonymous-es :)

P/P/S I'm seriously closing the requests for now. Even if you continue requesting right now, I won't accept them. You can start requesting again when I announce it open again. Thanks for understanding.

Siti's request

2010-04-15T19:33:00.005+08:00

I know it's really little. But it's hard to find nice bases for the theme rainbow. :\ I love the last one though!

20 followers on tfn!

2010-04-14T22:41:00.001+08:00

Thanks for all the followers! Do continue following and supporting thefadingnight. :D
Due to loads of homework and school activities, I have decided to close the requests for this period of time. However the requests you have made earlier will definitely be attended to as soon as possible! Requests will only be re-opened probably after MYEs?

Just a reminder, the deadline for the maker's application is drawing near! (it's on the 19th) HURRY AND GOOD LUCK! Don't miss out on this opportunity, I might not want another maker after this. :P

PuiLing: gah i thought the result's out today, so i came to look but realise it's out on 19th :\
Haha yup it's on the 19th. Good luck!

Mel: Hey thanks very much :) I love them ;) It's very nice ;D
Welcome!

mel's request

2010-04-13T19:13:00.006+08:00

ZOMG my bandwidth is like O: So can you guys just host the images here to your OWN server (photobucket, tinypic, etc)? If my bandwidth goes BOOM, please don't ask me to rehost them. I will neverrr! Don't say I didn't warn ya ;D But I know some people out there actually do host them to their own server. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Love you guys!

Edlyn: Tag bby! KEEP THIS THING ALIVE PLZ ITS DYING :c I still hate you. I mean you just started and ur graphics are like OMFG-WOW-YOUROCKMAN-NICOLE!
There! UPDATED :D LOL THANK YOU.

Maker's Application

2010-04-03T21:31:00.000+08:00

Recruiting one more maker at thefadingnight! If you think you've got the skills, then join now! Fill up this form, add examples of your works and e-mail it to me at thefadingnight@live.com. No spam please.

Name: (your REAL name please)
Age: (your REAL age as well)
Software: (photoshop cs4, photoscape, etc.)
Theme: (What kind of graphics you like making e.g. stock, fashion, celeb, etc.)
How frequent are you able to post: (once a week or what?)
Are you able to take on requests: (yes or no?)
Any other communities you are contributing to: (if yes, please state them)

About adding examples of your works, please add 10 icons and 5 banners. Do credit your resources as well. So just e-mail the filled form and the examples to me and I'll reply you as soon as possible. The deadline is on the 19th of April. Until then, I will post the official new maker for thefadingnight!

saeeda's request

2010-04-03T12:55:00.000+08:00

This is slightly different from my other batches. Better? Or worse O:

MY LIBRARY BOOKS ARE DUE OH NO.

your FAN♥Jayrene: Hiiii !!!! awesome place ! ♥ it ! one quetion, u made these icons urself??
Yeah lol :)

yingting: hello ! i blog-hopped here ! your icons are really awesome! i like it a lottttt ;D
yingting: dont mind if i use it ? ill credit . :D
Of course you can use them! Remember to credit and save and upload them to your photobucket/tinypic or whatever. :)

clare's request

2010-04-02T16:18:00.002+08:00

I love this batch. Thanks for requesting, Clare! Found so many awesome images. :D :D :D

Huijuan, Belinda, Amy and Ila, could you request once more? Cause there's something wrong with the form. I can't see your request for the theme. :O Sorry for the inconvenience!

(350x150)

chngyi: hey, ur icons are great
Juliana: Hello, nice site :)
Pinkfish: Awesome batch (:
Thanks!

Clarette:
I LOVE YOUR ICONS. What software do you use to edit the bases? Super awesome. KEEP IT UP!
xo, Clarette.
Clarette: Oh, and just curious do you have to seek permission from the people who did the bases to edit? Or just credit? Thank you for answering my ques :)
I use Photoshop CS4. If the people who did the bases specify that you need to seek permission, then you do. If not, it should be alright to use them. And no matter what, you have to credit them.

Nicole: Yayyyyyy thanks for the info :) I'll start cropping soon!
No prob!

Passer: What program do you use?
Put your real name pretty pls kthx.

Edlyn: Omgomg I have no choice but to hate you bby D:
Aww noooo :( Btw the maker's app will be up soon bby! hehe hurrying :)

michelle's request

2010-04-01T11:46:00.002+08:00

Hope you like them, michelle! or chanel?

By the way for the request form, please read the about section before requesting anything. I specialize in STOCKS&CELEB and please gimme at least one week to complete your request, unless you want them delayed?

(350x150)

chanel's request

2010-03-29T22:30:00.004+08:00

Here's Chanel's request! Hope you like them. And Chanel, did you request as an Amanda and a Michelle too? o.o The IP and time requested super close can. It's okay if you request under the same name a couple of times, really. I don't mind. :) Just don't put fake info alright? Thanks!

By the way, if you haven't noticed, the resources section is up! I'll be working on the makers app section too. I'm looking for only one maker at the moment. If you think your graphics are awesome, then join! I'll post the maker's app soon. Check back often!

(350x150)

Vanessa: OH MY GOD THIS IS AWESOME! :D Do you think you could do one with someone doing an air split? Like freedom or smth. Haha, nice (:!
You can fill up a form and request for it http://thefadingnight.wufoo.com/forms/thefadingnight/
Helena: Too washed out imo. Good luck to your new community.
Washed out? o.O thanks.
Ciaa.: This is plain awesome. For the icons/banners are good too.
Thanks cia bby!
Jesslyn: Those banners are awesome!
Jesslyn: Good luck with the community. Oh, is there a mistake? It says 'might', not 'night'. >>>
Thanks! Huh whut mistake? where?
Kenneth: http://community.livejournal.com/cirquedemode/ loves you.
thefadingnight loves you too!
Anna: Lovely. :)
Thanks!
Regina: Are you looking for other makers?
Yep, the makers app will be up soon.
Nicole: Hey i wanna join please :D
Nicole: My link is in your thread
Nicole: oh yes i love your graphics too :D
Nicole: Eh btw, how do you make a banner into an icon?
The maker app will be up soon :) Thanks! You crop a banner into a 100x100 icon.
Chsnel: Hello, passed by and I do love your works. :) Submitted a request and I do hope you'll respond to them quick! :D
(refer to above)
Edlyn: Ohmygod Nicole bby. D: Compared to your icons my icons suck like hell.
Edlyn: And your layout is W-O-W. I hate you D:
NOOOOO DON'T HATE ME EDLYN :( And no your icons don't suck like hell. I started making icons waaaaay later than you! O:
PuiLing: Hello there! XD Lovely batch and skin ;)
Thanks PL!

The resources can be found here

15 icons, 14 banners

2010-03-29T02:54:00.001+08:00

Here's my first batch! Hope you like them. The resources section will be up soon.

(350x150)

Resources for this post can be found here

welcome to thefadingnight!

2010-03-27T18:56:00.000+08:00

Hi there, welcome to thefadingnight! This is a graphics site consisting of stock&celeb icons and banners. There'll prolly be more banners though. BECAUSE BANNERS ARE AWESOMESAUCE.

Uhkay, some things to take note of here at thefadingnight:

No hotlinking
None of the icons&banners are bases
Credit is needed
Link exchange is welcome
Follow thefadingnight!

This just about summarizes the "about" section (at the top).

The first batch of icons&banners is coming up soon! *excited* even if you aren't excited, at least pretend you are (hehe just kidding!)

P/S The navigations don't seem to work in I.E. :(